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Ivar Bryce was married to Josephine Hartford Bryce.
Ivar Bryce's full name was Ivar Felix C. Bryce, and he also went by John Felix C. Bryce (J.F.C.B.). I want to know what name his initial C. stood for.
All my searches were fruitless until I tried the FreeBMD site here:
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
Putting "Bryce" and "john Felix" in the right boxes leads to:
"Births Sep 1906
BRYCE John Felix C St Geo.H.Sq 1a 427"
"Sep 1906" - means the birth was registered in July, August or September 1906.
"St. Geo H. Sq" is St. George's (Church) Hanover Square, the district of London where Bryce's birth was registered. St. George's itself is/was a "fashionable" church for society weddings, christenings and so on. The registration district also covers other parishes in smart areas like Belgravia, Mayfair or Westminster where the Bryce family or relatives of theirs might have had a "town house". ://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22st+george%27s+hanover%22+fashionable&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
"1a" is the volume of records and "427" the page. Together they are known as the GRO (General Register Office) reference. You need this GRO reference to order the certificate.
You can click on "here" a little below the name where it says: "Click here to learn what to do now."
Or - go to this page to read about the process of ordering certificates: http://www.statistics.gov.uk/nsbase/registration/certificates.asp
Or - go directly to the application form here:
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/registration/certe_w/downloads/birth.pdf
If you don't already have Adobe Acrobat Reader, necessary for reading the form, you can download it free here: http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep.html
Simplest of all, you could just call the General Register Office:
General Register Office
PO Box 2, Southport, Merseyside,
PR8 2JD, UK.
Telephone: +44 (0) 870 243 7788
Fax: +44 (0) 1704 550013
When I callled to check the system and ensure the fee included airmail postage (surface mail is so slow), I found the person I spoke to very helpful. She confirmed that details like parents' names are unnecessary as long as you have the GRO reference, in this case: "1a 427".
More information about "How to apply for certificates online, by post, by fax or by telephone" including office hours, 5 hours ahead of East Coast USA. http://www.statistics.gov.uk/nsbase/registration/CertE_W/other_certificate_obtain.asp
That should be all you need but please get straight back to me if you have a problem and I'll do my best to sort it out.
Thanks to Markj for his suggestion (below). It reminds me that I found Ivar was called "John F C Bryce" in US obituaries for Josephine which I came across when answering a previous question about him. Yet he seems to have stuck to Ivar in most situations. His book doesn't even mention Fleming's apparent compliment of using Felix for Felix Leiter and dedicating "Diamonds Are Forever" to JFCB. Very mysterious.
Extra bits & pieces I found while searching
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There are some entries on a genealogy site for previous generations of the Bryce family. This page confirms that Ivar's father was called Charles, as it says in "You Only Live Once": http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=royals&id=I35986
The same Peruvian genealogist (also called Bryce) gives Ivar's mother's name as Evelyn Eves: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=royals&id=I35991 (You may remember that the book says her father was a Major-General Ives.)
Here we discover Ivar had a great-uncle Felicio (Felix):
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=royals&id=I35997
If those links fail, start on the search page here:
http://rootsweb.com/
This page shows not only Ivar's maternal grandfather, Major-General Cecil Robert St. John Ives of Moyns Park, but also Violet Maud Cecil Ives, who must be Ivar's aunt. Doesn't the book say the two sisters fell out? http://www.hostultra.com/~thepeerage/p807.htm
And you can find a record of Mrs. Charles Bryce's detective stories in the British Library: http://blpc.bl.uk/
So - with John and Felix both family names, I'm guessing Charles or Cecil for the C. But it may yet be something quite unexpected.
I hope you have the answer soon!
Best Wishes - Leli
Searches:
"ivar * * bryce"
"i * * bryce"
"john * * bryce"
"j * * bryce"
"felix * bryce"
etc.
When none of those searches came to anything, I went to the genealogy sites and "You Only Live Once".
You may already be aware of this, but certain papers of Ernest Cuneo are apparently archived at the Frankin Delano Roosevelt Library at Hyde Park, New York. The list of those papers includes a substantial amount of material labeled "John F.C. Bryce." It is possible that an included document might contain the name that goes with the "C."
Here is a link to the list (it's in alphabetical order):
http://www.fdrlibrary.marist.edu:8000/findbrow.cgi?collection=Cuneo,+Ernest
And here's a link for contacting the research staff at the FDR library: http://www.fdrlibrary.marist.edu:/research.html
I hope this helps.
markj-ga
Ah ... so you read Ivar's 'You Only Live Once'. Great. He birth year was 1906. Concerning his birth certificate, I would be very intersted in ordering his birth certificate, online, at a cost of £7. Once given this information, I feel that you have answered my question by pointing me in the right direction. Thank you.
I've had no luck trying to find Ivar Bryce's third name, but I have found enough information about his birth for you to be able to order his birth certificate, online, at a cost of £7.
To be completely accurate, I should say I've found details for a John Felix C Bryce. After checking Bryce's autobiography, I know it's the right year of birth.
The place of birth is plausible and though I can't say with 100 per cent certainty that it's him, it seems likely.
If you feel this information would be a useful answer, I would be happy to write it all up for you. Though I can't absolutely guarantee that the name would be spelt out in full on the certificate, I would be surprised if it were not. My reasons for optimism are: ~ The American custom of occasionally giving an initial instead of a middle name is not known in the UK. ~ The English upper classes often give more than one middle name and Ivar's mother, who had aristocratic connections, is described in her son's book as a "snob" who wanted Ivar to be aware of his background. ~ I checked a couple of other three-forenames people from grand backgrounds. Although their third names are known, in the database where I found "John Felix C", the name is abbreviated to an initial. Presumably that's just the format used by that particular database.
Just let me know if this would be any help. I do realise it's not what you were hoping for, but there doesn't seem to be a better answer available.
Leli
Glad to think my suggestion might help.
But - there's a bureaucratic hitch - I hadn't noticed that you can only order online from within the UK.
If you are elsewhere, you have to order by post, phone or fax. Then the service costs £8.50. I have checked that this includes airmail postage.
Let me know if this still seems like a good idea.
Leli
PS I started reading "You Only Live Once" yesterday at the library, looking for his names as well as birth date. Now my researcher's nose is twitching, wanting to know why he doesn't mention the JFC names, trying to find out more . .
I live in the United States. So I would need to either phone or write a letter to them in order to have a copy made so I'll will need their address and phone number. I still think its a good idea.
Thanks again.
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